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Recurring Labels – “okoe89”, “okae89” and “okae9”

Some of the VMs labels appear on more than one folio. One such is “okoe89”, which labels objects on five different folios (f99v, f89r1, f89r2, f82v and rosette). What do all these objects have in common?

Similarly, “okae89” appears on three different folios (f88r, f101v2 and f99r). Two look like the same plant/root.

And “okae9”, on three different folios (f84r, f88r and f99v).

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  1. Edward
    March 24, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Has it occurred to someone that, by using codetables, three occurrences of okae9, or such labels/words may link to three different plaintext words? The encryption process may yield the same result for different words, or different results for the same word, depending on the codetable that would be currently in use, or the position on a single codetable.

    • JB
      March 24, 2010 at 3:52 pm

      Yes, I think the possibility that the words are codes has been investigated quite well, and it’s not a popular theory: most researchers believe the VMs is a cipher of some sort.

  2. March 24, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    Well..
    (a) I’ve long proposed that the three towers on the rosette page signify the Carthusian Monastary at Pavia (have you been there?), not too far from Milan
    (b) I think that “ok” is a static verbose cipher pair, probably a consonant
    (c) I suspect that “ol” is one of M L C X or V
    (d) I believe that “-d-” is {suspensio} i.e. a skipped mid-word syllable
    (e) I believe that “-y” is {abbrevatio} i.e. a skipped end-word syllable
    So… according to my general parsing, “okoldy” would seem to decomposes to “consonant + {MLCXV} + mid_syllable + end_syllable”. Hence I’ll take a stab at “P V – -“, short for “P(a)V(i)(a)”. 🙂

    I also suspect that “-y” is sometimes used instead of “-dy” when the writer is a bit short of space (Mark Perakh proposed much the same kind of thing, as I recall), so would not be in the least surprised if some or all of the “okaly” labels turn out to be the same as some or all of the “okaldy” labels. Certainly, some of the roots aren’t a million miles from each other, so it’s a plausible angle?

    Cheers, ….Nick Pelling….

  3. JB
    March 24, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    Very persuasive, Nick, as usual 🙂 How well do your rules work on the star names, I wonder – no doubt you have been down that avenue?

    No, I haven’t been to Pavia, but I have been to Milan several times. My favourite Italian destination has to be Frascati.

  4. March 24, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    Actually, okoldy just happened to work nicely. You’ve presumably read my recent “luna” crib post for f67r1? Might be right, might not… you never know. 😉 http://www.ciphermysteries.com/2010/03/20/voynich-cipher-crib-thoughts

  5. JB
    March 24, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    I did see it … but the extra “i” bothered me 🙂

  6. March 25, 2010 at 7:37 am

    Ah, that’s because I think it’s the shape of the loop that determines the number. This has a very short loop, so I suspect it is “1”. 🙂

  7. Diane O'Donovan
    May 13, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    Just a possibility: medieval medicine, like the old “root-cutters” associated plants with particular gods,stars,planets, gems, days of the week, seasons etc.

    So if this section is copied from a Hellenistic root-cutter’s practice, one would expect more than one plant to be so linked.Close to magic, I know, but it was a long-lived approach, and even as late as the 17thC, formally qualified (and ‘Enlightened’) doctors were using versions of the same. Just an idea.

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